Chinese site 17173 ranks the best players at TI2

Two large Chinese gaming sites, 17173 and SGamer, have put up summaries of Chinese fan analysis of the top players in their respective positions at The International 2. This is the 17173 version, I skipped a bit in the middle where it was joke rankings for random stuff. Sgamer’s version is very different and will be coming later.

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After making national TV, Dota 2 and iG make it onto China’s biggest sports newspaper as well!

Note: Check it out! Includes brief comments by Zhou and YYF on Chinese Dota’s place in the world, etc.


iG winning The International 2 has stirred quite a bit of excitement in the international eSports scene, and after they made it onto CCTV, now China’s biggest sports paper, TITAN DAILY has coverage of them too.

Translation of article: Beijing time September 3 2012, 11:30AM, at Seattle’s Benaroya Hall the second iteration of the Dota2 International competition’s Grand Finals began: Ukraine’s Team NaVi versus China’s Team iG. Over the next three hours of fierce fighting, iG defeated NaVi by a score of 3 to 1 to win the championship, and a record-breaking 1 million US dollars grand prize.

In 2011, the first Dota2 International had already set the record for prize money. Last year, NaVi won the championship, and Chinese team EHOME sadly placed second.

This year, of 16 of the world’s top Dota2 teams, 5 hailed from China, and over 7 days of competition a Chinese team successfully took the top place, with all 5 Chinese teams making it into the top 8, thus defending China’s glory and honor in this competition.

IG’s star player Zhou had this to say: “In Dota, China is best in the world, and Dota2 is merely an upgrade of Dota, so we face our matches with only one idea, that is to defend China’s reputation and place at the top of the world.”

Over the course of the competition, as long as a match was a non-Chinese team versus a Chinese team, the crowd in Benaroya Hall would gravitate towards automatically supporting the non-Chinese team. “Competing in foreign countries, I feel like we’re playing against the world, the good thing is that we were successful!” another of iG’s stars, YYF, described.

Electronic sports in China has more than ten years of history and development now, and Dota is currently China’s most popular game as well as the game in which Chinese players are strongest. In addition, there is Starcraft, Warcraft, Counterstrike, and FIFA, etc.

Chinese forumers appreciate NaVi


Title: Not much else to say, congratulations to NaVi for breaking the Chinese surround and winning 2nd place!

Super_Star_佑: Everyone should use a peaceful attitude in looking at this… NaVi’s team execution and overall skill are very strong… 2009 (Chinese commentator) also says, NaVi is a very strong team… they showed that, beating DK, iG, and broke LGD’s undefeated streak. Even though in the end they lost to iG for the championship, they are a team that has earned respect…

粑神: It was not easy [for NaVi, but they did well]

Super_Star_佑: Without NaVi, it would have only been Chinese teams fighting each other. Without NaVi, there would have only been Morphling, Anti-mage, Sylla, Naga Siren. Without NaVi, there would have been no Juggernaut heroics. Without NaVi, there would have been no real excitement in seeing a Chinese team win it all. NaVi, because of you, TI2 is more exciting.

_13eam: Yes, only playing against non-Chinese teams brings out the emotion

euro武生: NaVi showed to us all that this game has no unbeatable hero combos

yamadeh123: Without NaVi I wouldn’t be this excited right now

GsNm_11yue: Indeed I’ve come to respect NaVi. But NaVi fanboys not so much

卡尔不可以: I support NaVi, looking forward to next year’s International

大神爱抗米: NaVi really is fucking good. Pretty much beat every team once. Without them I’d probably have watched ping pong (this is a joke referring to how Chinese always dominate international ping pong tournaments)

ruzishehao3: Though I’m an iG fan, this time I have truly become a fan of NaVi.

花园のTrunks: Yeah, what you said makes sense. Even though I was rooting for iG to destroy NaVi, I can’t help but admit that NaVi is very strong, and all the top teams from Europe and America bring an added amount of magic and excitement to the Dota scene.

我要顺利pass: Feels like if it were Chinese teams fighting for the championship, I could’ve just slept through and checked the result in the morning and be ok with it

nengnengge: NaVi really figured out the Chinese Naga plus Tide system

水穗心岚: I support Chinese teams, but I’m also thankful for the non-Chinese teams.

ehome820357: NaVi is so unpredictable and enigmatic, if they’re still here next year, they’ll be amongst the favorites as well

雷克萨的荣耀: Every time I see Light bro (LightofHeaven) I always think he’s so great! By the time he was world famous I hadn’t even started playing Dota. If we say 820 was China’s first all-around player able to play any role, I think in the same way we can say LightofHeaven is the first Dota player that was recognized around the world. From when Chinese Dota was nothing in the world, to Chinese Dota standing on top of the world, LightofHeaven has always stood against our Chinese teams, from VP, Rush_3D, M5, DTS, to NaVi now.
After seeing iG win, while I was celebrating I also remembered to thank LightofHeaven for his participation in another legendary tournament, I salute your life of Dota!

Chinese reactions to TI2 Finals Day: Chinese Tide vs NaVi Rubick, iG club response, fan criticism of Finals crowd

Note: Some fan reactions to what was probably the key matchup in the Finals. Some good insight too.

After that is a tiny sample of stuff that is said regarding the crowd for the Finals, not a conclusive representation of overall opinion. In the end, this probably doesn’t even matter, but I thought it was an interesting insight into the ‘international’ dynamic at play here.

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(Sept 3 short bit) Praise for NaVi’s Dendi

Note: Wow, what a great tournament. Hard to put into words, but I’ll try to help translate as many of the words from the Chinese scene as I can find in the next few days. Stay tuned for that. For now, have this short bit from our friends at about NaVi’s star, Dendi.

Original (page 7):

Against iG (prior to the Grand Finals), Dendi’s Rubick was thorough and nearly perfect. He controlled Tidehunter’s movements and ult so well, and then when he stole it, he used it even better. His skills, knowledge, and instinct on display were all absolutely top tier. It must be said, his understanding of the game was perfect.

(Sept 2 quickies) Chinese appreciate Zenith and iceiceice, iG vs NaVi — iG overconfident?

Note: DC’s Day 5 Dota diary just went up. I’ll probably get translations of that plus all the rest of DC’s diaries up starting Monday, so stay tuned for that! Until then, enjoy some random snippets of comments and reactions from around the Chinese internet. Not meant to be a complete sample of all Chinese opinions, just a window, so it could be biased one way or another.

1. Chinese appreciate Zenith and iceiceice


In the loser’s bracket fifth round, Zenith clashed with DK. Sadly, Zenith came out as the losers of this battle. At the end of the match, Zenith’s iceiceice used all of his gold on Sentry Wards to write out ‘gg’ in large letters in the middle. He ran out of Wards halfway and only made one ‘g’, and informed that he was out of money. This ‘gg’, though, not only signified the end of the match, but also Zenith’s well-wishes for DK’s next matches.

Iceiceice is a legendary player, and this time in Seattle he has been the center of attention many times, including excellent plays and strategies, but especially when he went on stage and played without pants on. Now he’s out of the tournament along with his team, and it is definitely a bit disappointing to see, but we only wish him and his team good luck and good performances in the future.

2. iG vs NaVi — iG tweets show overconfidence?


After three games, iG lost 2-1 to NaVi and dropped into the lower bracket. After an easy first game win for iG, NaVi was widely seen to have lost out in the bans and picks for the second game yet managed to read every single one of iG’s moves, and then the third game iG basically lost at the bans and picks stage.

But, shortly after the bans and picks concluded for the second game, iG’s CEO Efeng tweeted:

Efeng: Bans and picks are exactly as we predicted and wanted! In terms of game intellect, we have achieved a flawless victory, let us go forth do battle!

This tweet would’ve been innocent enough if everything had gone as planned, but just as Efeng sent the tweet out and it began picking up notice, iG was also choking on the main stage at Benaroya Hall.

Before the match, iG people ranging from Efeng to ChuaN had tweeted reflecting their confidence:

Efeng: 7 Asian teams came to TI2, now in the top 8 all 7 are still alive. The only non-Asian team left is NaVi, it’s about time we send them out too!

Efeng: NaVi and their TI1 championship rings said to us, “you don’t have this!”. We can only answer, “enjoy it while it lasts”, it is not 2011 anymore.

ChuaN: I hate the waiting, time to let it out on NaVi!

After iG dropped into the lower brackets at the hands of NaVi, these tweets were retweeted furiously. And as for the statement from iG CEO Efeng, “in terms of game intellect, we have achieved flawless victory”, well, later on during game 3, the Chinese commentator Miss said, “NaVi has such great game intellect!”

Many fans have pointed at Efeng, saying his tweets lack respect and decency. Regardless of the facts, we hope that iG picks it back up, and that all the Chinese teams remaining can stay calm and composed in the face of these big matches! Truly, we shouldn’t be overly proud of our game knowledge or anything like that.

DC’s Seattle Dota Diary #4: Marvelling at the Tongfu backlash (and an embargo against NaVi)


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Today’s entry is a bit of a filler, indeed, there has not been a lot of amazing events to come of the day for writing about.

Because I was up late last night rushing the last entry, I slept in until noon, when Zhou etc came and woke me from my slumber. After some simple communication, I came to find that my original plans to tag along on adventures outside had fallen through due to the greater group leaving earlier, so I became another of the youth left behind. After some amount of sadness at this loss of adventure had passed, a few of us embarked on our own adventure to go and find some food. DD (of LGD) surprised us at this point, showing that a few days after arriving in a faraway foreign land, he had become as good as a local: he had figured out our immediate surroundings — taking us through some small back streets until he pointed us straight to a nearby Chinese restaurant!

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